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After Almost Two Years As Champ, Why Does Edgar Still Have T

Postby jontsu » Feb 22. 2012, 06:41

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Feb 21, 2012 - No one is scared of Frankie Edgar. Not really. No one in the UFC seems especially terrified of him, of what he might do to them, of the ways in which a fight with him might forever alter their lives and/or faces. That’s just not the kind of champion he is, and he knows it, even if he doesn’t know exactly why.

Fighters worry about him, maybe. They’re concerned. They know that Edgar keeps finding a way to win -- somehow -- and that’s a problem. Still, it’s not the kind of thing that keeps them up at night or keeps fans enthralled by his dominance, and even Edgar can’t quite explain why that is.

"I don’t know," he told MMA Fighting. "Maybe it’s because I’m a smaller guy. I’m not supposed to win."

According to the oddsmakers, that was true until very recently. The first time Edgar fought B.J. Penn for the UFC lightweight title, Penn was a 7-1 favorite. Even after Edgar beat him via decision to claim the belt, Penn was still somewhere in the neighborhood of a 3-1 favorite in the immediate rematch. Edgar won that fight too, this time even more convincingly than the first, but he was still a slight underdog when he defended the belt against Gray Maynard some four months later.

It wasn’t until the third fight with Maynard, which Edgar would go on to win via knockout, that he finally entered a title fight as the (slight) favorite. Even now, coming off arguably the biggest and most decisive win of his career, he’s just barely a favorite -- currently hovering at -130, according to most oddsmakers -- to beat Ben Henderson in Tokyo at UFC 144.

At a certain point, how do you not take this personally, if you’re Edgar? How do you resist the urge to smack the oddsmakers and experts upside the head with your championship belt, WWE-style, and ask them why you don’t get the same respect as the rest of the UFC title-holders?

Only, for better or worse, that’s not the kind of fighter Edgar is. He seems more inclined to laugh and shrug than launch into the Rodney Dangerfield ‘no respect’ schtick. Maybe he hasn’t made a believer out of everyone, he admitted, but "[t]hat doesn’t bother me. I think the longer it took people to come around, it means the more proving I had to do. And once people do come around, I feel like they’re going to stick with me longer."

Besides, there’s not much you can take away from a champion who’s 14-1-1, and has avenged the loss and the draw with a dramatic knockout victory.

"You can’t deny what I did," Edgar said. "I beat B.J. Penn twice, and a lot of people considered him the best lightweight ever. Then I beat Gray, who had never been beaten before. Not only did I beat him, I stopped him."

And yet, even Edgar will admit that the public perception does have some effect, however slight, on the way he perceives his own title reign. This weekend’s fight in Tokyo will mark the first time in over two years that he’s fought someone not named Penn or Maynard, which, for a while there, turned his training into a real mental grind.

"I think that’s why I didn’t really get caught up in [being the champion,]" he said. "I remember coming home with the belt and getting a call from Dana [White] pretty much that next day saying, ‘You’ve got to fight B.J. again.' I never really even got to settle in to being the champion. I had to get ready to defend it. ...Then I was the underdog my past few fights, so I never even got a chance to feel like a champion. I felt like I constantly had to prove myself, and I kind of still feel that way today."

But how long can that go on? If he beats Henderson, thus defending his title against its third consecutive challenger, who can still doubt him? Who can still look at him and see a champion on borrowed time?

Maybe the better question is, who still sees him that way now? If wins over Penn and Maynard aren’t enough, what will be?

Perhaps we’ll find out soon enough, but in the meantime it doesn’t seem to be bothering Edgar all that much. He’s had plenty of time to get used to it. At this point, maybe he wouldn’t even know how to be that terrifying, dominant champion who the fight world reveres. Maybe he wouldn’t want to be.


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Re: After Almost Two Years As Champ, Why Does Edgar Still Have T

Postby jontsu » Feb 22. 2012, 06:58

Interesting subject imo, since I have never really been impressed by him, with an exception of his takedowns to Penn.
KO victory against Gray was nice, because you don't really expect a knockout from Edgar. He's been in SO BIG TROUBLE in his last 2 against Gray (win or not) that he doesn't seem like Aldo or others who come in and destroy, or be notches above the rest of the division.

IMO he's being actually not s good as the other top 5 candidates. While Frankie was getting beat up by Gray, rolling around the octagon as being rocked, Bendo steamrolled his way to the top against just as tough competition, Nate upsetted Cerrone, (who I'd say is better thatn both edgar and gray, even tho totalyy diffferent style) very convincingly, Pettis got back from his LNP loss, Jim Miller stopped Melvin in the 1st as did Lauzon. + Then there's the top 5 fighters that are outside of UFC. Melendez, Aoki, Chandler, Alvarez

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Re: After Almost Two Years As Champ, Why Does Edgar Still Have T

Postby axelstoner » Feb 22. 2012, 07:09

in 4 fights he fought 2 guys thats why! since 2009 hes fought 2 guys thats why ! hendo will beat frankie
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Re: After Almost Two Years As Champ, Why Does Edgar Still Have T

Postby Sasori » Feb 22. 2012, 07:56

Time is irrelevant. Frankie has still beaten the same people if hes on the side lines for a century. I understand very well why people doubt. A lot of fighters have been "exposed" so to speak. He just needs to prove people wrong.
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Re: After Almost Two Years As Champ, Why Does Edgar Still Have T

Postby abenaben » Feb 22. 2012, 09:50

for frankies doubters.. do you really think bendo can beat bj 2x?? or KO gray? c'mon... outside frankie gray is unbeatable in LW.. a smaller version of gsp.. not all talent but a product of hardwork and perseverence... an inspiration to a lot...
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Re: After Almost Two Years As Champ, Why Does Edgar Still Have T

Postby Sasori » Feb 22. 2012, 09:53

abenaben wrote:for frankies doubters.. do you really think bendo can beat bj 2x?? or KO gray? c'mon... outside frankie gray is unbeatable in LW.. a smaller version of gsp.. not all talent but a product of hardwork and perseverence... an inspiration to a lot...

Based on what is he unbeatable? Seriously Id like to know how you come to that conclusion. Grey is NOT a smaller version of GSP, with GSP you get high skill in all aspects, he can do what every he wants to his opponents, I would never eeeever compare the two.
Bendo on his worst day still is pretty competitive and he has only looked better and better. Edgar is going down.

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Re: After Almost Two Years As Champ, Why Does Edgar Still Have T

Postby therealweagle » Feb 22. 2012, 10:11

axelstoner wrote:in 4 fights he fought 2 guys thats why! since 2009 hes fought 2 guys thats why ! Bendo will beat frankie


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Re: After Almost Two Years As Champ, Why Does Edgar Still Have T

Postby Nycto Von Dickto » Feb 22. 2012, 10:17

He doesn't get the respect because he almost got KO'd in the first round twice, with a guy whose only ever knocked out himself.
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Re: After Almost Two Years As Champ, Why Does Edgar Still Have T

Postby matt0204 » Feb 22. 2012, 10:25

abenaben wrote: do you really think bendo can beat bj 2x?? or KO gray?


Yes.
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Re: After Almost Two Years As Champ, Why Does Edgar Still Have T

Postby KrazyBee » Feb 22. 2012, 10:41

I feel he may have rematched himself out of relevancy.

It happens - two rivals tie up belts for too long and the rest of the division passes them by. Shogun and Machida, Chuck and Randy, Bowe and Holyfield.

It takes it out of their bodies and places them in a bubble where they are unfamiliar with the changes in the rest of the division.

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Re: After Almost Two Years As Champ, Why Does Edgar Still Have T

Postby Predator225 » Feb 22. 2012, 10:45

KrazyBee wrote:I feel he may have rematched himself out of relevancy.

It happens - two rivals tie up belts for too long and the rest of the division passes them by. Shogun and Machida, Chuck and Randy, Bowe and Holyfield.

It takes it out of their bodies and places them in a bubble where they are unfamiliar with the changes in the rest of the division.


interesting theory, but I don't know if it applies to Edgar yet, if he loses to Bendo, then maybe, but for now it is just a theory what could happen.
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Re: After Almost Two Years As Champ, Why Does Edgar Still Have T

Postby matt0204 » Feb 22. 2012, 10:45

KrazyBee wrote:I feel he may have rematched himself out of relevancy.

It happens - two rivals tie up belts for too long and the rest of the division passes them by. Shogun and Machida, Chuck and Randy, Bowe and Holyfield.

It takes it out of their bodies and places them in a bubble where they are unfamiliar with the changes in the rest of the division.


Great point.........among the many you have made.
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Re: After Almost Two Years As Champ, Why Does Edgar Still Have T

Postby THE_H20 » Feb 22. 2012, 12:49

I have him ud ing bendo anyway. He'd beat lauzon by finish and out score cowboy. And use the condit tactic against Diaz.
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Re: After Almost Two Years As Champ, Why Does Edgar Still Have T

Postby traeblack » Feb 22. 2012, 12:52

Sasori wrote:
abenaben wrote:for frankies doubters.. do you really think bendo can beat bj 2x?? or KO gray? c'mon... outside frankie gray is unbeatable in LW.. a smaller version of gsp.. not all talent but a product of hardwork and perseverence... an inspiration to a lot...

Based on what is he unbeatable? Seriously Id like to know how you come to that conclusion. Grey is NOT a smaller version of GSP, with GSP you get high skill in all aspects, he can do what every he wants to his opponents, I would never eeeever compare the two.
Bendo on his worst day still is pretty competitive and he has only looked better and better. Edgar is going down.


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